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166 Lord, thou hast drawn us after thee.
Now let us run and never tire.
Numbers 166 Some brother would start it.
For thou past.
Birthday.
Now let us from and never thought.
Thy present shall learn.
Ye thyself are all our soul, dear.
Nor string and cold.
Deliver.
Our presence in your own world here.
Nor the same can come in love.
Would it be the mind of the brethren to?
Continue in Hebrews 2.
I think that would be good third job.
Hebrews 2 and verse 9.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God, should taste death for every man. For it became him for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings for both he that sanctifieth, and they who are sanctified.
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Are all of one, for which 'cause he is not ashamed to call them.
Brethren, saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee, and again I will put my trust in him. And again, behold I and the children which God hath given me.
For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same, that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to *******. For verily He took not on him the nature of angels, but He took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God.
To make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that He himself hath him suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.
Clarify something that came up at the end of the last meeting, and that is the state for the condition of glorification of the body. And if we turn to Luke chapter 24, we can see there that the Lord was speaking to His disciples.
Verse Let's read verse 38, verse 37 just to get the connection.
Luke 24.
Verse 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your heart? Behold My hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, and see, For a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when He had thus spoken, he showed them his hands, and his his feet, while they yet believe not for joy.
And wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here and meet? And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb, And he took it, and did eat before them.
And then we can turn to 1St Corinthians chapter 15.
That chapter gives us the change that's going to take place, teaches us the change, the mystery that will is revealed by the apostle, was given to the apostle by the Lord Jesus in verse 51. He says, behold, I show you a mystery, a secret that was in God's heart. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound.
And the debt shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed for this corruptible must put on incorruption that someone that's.
In the grave he's corrupted, and so he puts on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality those that are alive at the coming of the Lord.
And then if we just looked a little further, a little further back, verse 42.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in incorruption, is sown in corruption. It is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor. It is raised in glory or in a glorified condition. It is sown in weakness. It is raised in power. It is sown a natural body. It is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Well, the point is that we sometimes speak of glory as being a place, and it's not a place, it's a condition.
And so we say so and so has died, and he's gone to glory. Well, that's not really very accurate. He's gone to be with Christ. The language of Scripture is that he's absent from the body and present with the Lord.
He's not in a glorified state. And so to say he's glory, he's in glory is really not quite as accurate as should be. So when the Lord Jesus rose from among the dead, he wrote, he raised, he was raised in a glorified condition.
And then when it says He was received up in glory, it means that he was received up in that glorified condition, and he entered heaven as a glorified man.
And so it's a marvelous thing, but the head of the church?
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Lay in the grave and on the third day, the Lord's day, he rose from among the dead glorified man. And 40 days later he ascended up into heaven a glorified man. There's one man seated there with a body, glorified body at the right hand of the majesty on high. And so that's what we're reading about a little earlier here, that he was.
Raised, made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor that he, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man and for everything. And so he purchased the whole of creation. He purchased of all things created. Everything belongs to Him.
And so those of us that know the Lord Jesus as Savior, we've acknowledged his ownership, We acknowledge that there's a transaction that took place at the cross. We say, yes, we don't belong to the this world anymore. We're heavenly citizens. We belong to him. We acknowledge his Lordship. We call him Lord.
Those that belong, those that are in this world that do not know the Lord Jesus as Savior, they still belong to Him. They're still responsible to Him, but they haven't acknowledged His Lordship. They will in a future day. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. I'll just clarify that statement. I think it's first Peter, maybe a second Peter.
Second Peter, chapter 2. Second Peter chapter 2. There were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privilege shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them.
And bring upon themselves swift destruction. So it's not that they lost their salvation.
But that the Lord bought all people everything. He bought the field and everything in it. And so they're his. They have. They ought to acknowledge His authority.
And so they deny him by their works, they deny his right of purchase, they deny that there was a transaction made at the cross of Calvary and they refused to bow the knee. And so we're going to see the day when the Lord Jesus, by the grace of God, is going to see every knee bow before him.
Yeah, I think we have to be careful, as you have mentioned, Robert, that we don't speak about a new body.
Often that term is used, but it's not.
Accurate.
Scripturally.
The resurrection is only in connection with the body, but.
These it will be the same body, even if it has gone down into corruption, it will be raised in by the power of the Lord. Ephesians chapter one. That power will be put forth to raise all the believers from able downward and we who are here on the earth at the time of the shout, we will be changed in a moment.
Twinkling of an eye and have a body of glory. Yes, I think that's clear. What Robert has said is is is correct that.
We don't want to make a manual offender for a word, but really, there's no one in the glorified condition yet except the Lord Himself.
What was God's desire? That when Adam was created in the image and likeness of God, that he was made the owner or Lord of all the lower creation?
He was a representative of God and.
Man is still in the image of God, but it's been marred by sin terribly. So he cannot, he's not in the position to rule, but he's still in the image of God and.
Of course.
Adam failed to keep that place where God had put him and.
And therefore he, he lost the privilege of being Lord of the creation. And the Lord is the one who has taken that position, the second Adam, and everything will be put in subjection under him. It doesn't mean that.
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Everyone will acknowledge his Lordship.
That everyone will acknowledge His Lordship, but it doesn't mean that they will be saved and part of the heavenly company.
It might be good just to make the point of the our responsibility before God and before this world as men. In Genesis chapter one, it's very clear and God states two distinct things that you and I why were we put here? Why was the original the original purpose of God in connection with man. He never changed his idea. It's still going to be a man that reigns over all but in Genesis one and verse.
26 God said, Let us make man in our image after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air, over the cattle and over the all the earth, over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created in him, male and female, creating them.
The image of God were created to represent God in this world. That's why you're here. You are here to represent God. Man is going to say, well, who is God and how does God think? How does he act? Well, the image of God, you are to represent God and his purposes here. And in his likeness is the moral likeness of God. The moral features of God should be seen in your life.
So when a man looks at a believer, he should see something.
Of the character of God in his ways, in his moral ways, and in his conduct. So you and I should treat the creation, and should treat one another in the character that God treats one another.
We act according to the moral principles that God has established, not the principles morally that man seems to substitute or wants to substitute. And so the Lord Jesus perfectly represented his Father. I and my Father are one. While you and I, the Lord, is working with us in this wilderness scene so that we will represent him more perfectly, and that morally we will represent him more perfectly.
In this world.
There's something hardwired in human beings even though who are lost.
You cannot eliminate that image completely. The most wicked people.
They cannot do it. They don't represent that representation you're talking about.
In any correct way at all. But when wicked men show courage where they die for someone, that's a reflection of the fact that they're made in the image of God, the highest ideals that any human beings ever thought of.
That men admire even in the world when they do those things. That's part of that hardwired part, that man is created in the image of God.
You cannot eliminate that.
Man who's gotten famous in recent times by the name of Doctor Jordan Peterson, a Canadian.
Has been doing a series on the Internet about the Bible and he started doing it as an atheist.
Saying that these things are important, these stories at least at the very least teach truth. That if you get rid of them, what fills in is what happened in Stalin's Russia, what happened in Hitler's Germany, what happened in China. And it's true.
Well, he does progress to where he's no longer an atheist.
But he's teaching some of these things. And you can glean just even a unsaved person can glean some surface wisdom from what's going on in the Bible, but observations of things like the idea that man is created in the image of God. And you can't deny that when CS Lewis is an atheist who is searching things out, there were certain things that he looked at that he said evolution cannot explain.
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And one of them was this idea that no matter where you go on this planet.
That there's this hard wired thing within man.
For instance, they gave us an example. If you go to a prison and you talk to a thief, he will tell you all kinds of excuses why he stole, why he did what he did. Because I was abused or I was mistreated, or I'm an ethnic minority and I've been mistreated, whatever it is.
But notice this, you try to steal from him, he thinks it's wrong. You try to steal from his friends, he says it's wrong. And CS Lewis went down the line with basically the 10 commandments and said everywhere you go on Earth, how come this is that inside of human beings is this sense, even if you excuse your own sins, that there are certain things?
That are right and wrong, and that's pointing to a moral absolute. And if you admit that, then you have a moral absolute lawgiver that points to God. So man all that he does and all his wickedness and all his straying away, he cannot obscure that fact that he was made and created in the image of God.
I suppose we have in this ninth verse we have the broadest aspect of the of the work of Christ.
We all know the verse, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Now we have the forgiveness of our sins, we have justification, We are reconciled to God. And by the way.
Every being will be subject to God and will acknowledge the lordship of Christ, but not every unsaved. No unsaved person will be reconciled to God.
So.
What I mean in the ninth verse?
The work of Christ was so complete.
The propitiation, the the results, the consequence of the work of the Lord Jesus.
Was so marvelous that every trace of sin in this creation will be removed and we look on to the Millennium and the eternal state that work was the foundation of the removal.
To remove every taint of sin in this creation and.
And usher us in finally to the eternal state where there will be no, no sin of any kind.
Thanks.
Anyone had any questions? We've come along through the chapter ways, don't be afraid to ask.
What's the glory and honor spoken of here?
I take it that that is what the Lord refers to in the Gospel of John.
And.
Chapter 17.
We look forward to.
Being reinstated, so to speak.
And John 17 and verse five. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was there.
There's one tremendous difference. He was going back as a man and so.
He has been left that scene above, and now he's gone back. And if we also turn to the 13th chapter of the Gospel of John.
Verse 31 and 32. Therefore when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now as the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him, if God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
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When the Lord Jesus went back as risen Son of man, back into heaven, and all the fullness of His own finished work on Calvary's cross wherein God had been glorified, God's not going to wait until the millennial reign to glorify His Son. He bestowed honor and glory upon Him. As soon as we can put it in human language, He put His foot back down.
In heaven above. And so he straightway glorified him. He wasn't going to wait, and so he's back.
And reinstated, so to speak, but now as a man in heaven with the glory that he had before. But they're wonderful new honors that have been added because he won a victory at Calvary's cross. As Son of Man. He won glories that he had not had before, His eternal Son of God.
But he won them at Calvary's cross, and Hebrews really wonderfully presents that to us. And when he stepped back into the glory, he was saluted of God, high priest, forever after the order of Melchizedek. We get that a little later. And so there was a honor and a title bestowed upon him at that moment, a glory that he had not had before. And so I think all of those things are encompassed, perhaps.
And crowned with glory and honor. Because it's right now. Isn't it wonderful?
You know, at the close of Acts 7, when the offer had been made to Israel.
That if they would receive their Messiah who they had crucified.
God would send him from heaven in the times of the restitution of all things would come times of refreshing, I think is how it's put in the King James. And he would establish the Kingdom in this earth. But they reject that offer. And Steven is stoned and what does he see? He looks up into the open heavens, and this is the book of the open heavens. And he sees, behold, I see the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Now, beautiful, he sees them standing there at the right hand, that place of power and that place of acceptance at the right hand of God, and they could not bear that testimony. But now we look up into an open heavens by faith, and we see Jesus the same way Steven did, crown with glory and honor.
But we can say that the glory that he had before the world was was intrinsic glory. And the glory that he has now has acquired glory. I think it's it's helpful for the younger ones because they're probably going to hear those terms. And the intrinsic glory still has that. That is glory that never will fade because of who he is in all of his glory as God. But the but the acquired glory is that which he.
He acquired because of his obedience to His Father and his desire to glorify the Father. And now God is highly exalted him and given Him a name which is above every name, and the the Father is glorified in His Son.
So I just bring those two definitions and and you're going to hear them. Those of you that are young, you're going to hear them. And I think that's the difference between those two terms.
I don't know all of those. You might refresh us, but one is His creatorial glory. He wasn't a Creator in the past eternity, but now He has the glory of a Creator. He's a Redeemer, and He has the glories of the Redeemer, and He's a glorified man on high. He has glories as a man who has accomplished God's purposes.
It's so those are required glories.
Added glories, you might say.
Speak of the glory he had as a man walking in this scene. I think we sometimes speak of it as the moral glory.
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The acquired glory is He is going to share with us because we're going to reign with Him. We of course, cannot have any part in the intrinsic glory of the Lord.
But in relation to.
The Lord's position in the book of Hebrews. You probably have noticed He sits. It's spoken, He's spoken of as sitting down four times. In the first chapter, he sits down in his own right.
Having by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high, he had every right to enter into the glory that he had to before the foundation of the world that, as Steve mentioned, he enters it now.
Having accomplished the work of redemption, then you go on to chapter 8 and you have the Lord sitting down again as our great High Priest, and that is taken up later on in our chapter. He is there now a glorified man interceding for us as our great High Priest. That is taken up largely in this epistle. And then in chapter 10 He sits down because of the perfection of His.
Finished work, nothing can be added to it. As to the question of sin, He will never rise up to address that matter again. He set. He has sat down, having accomplished the work of redemption. As we know, in the Tabernacle there was no seat for the High Priest. The Lord accomplished the work by one offering. We have perfected forever them that are sanctified. Then we come to the 12Th chapter.
Where we have the Lord as our example, who began the path of faith and finished it in perfection and.
Who for the joy that was set before him?
Endured the cross and is set down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, so the sufferings there.
In Hebrews 12 are not in atoning character because he's there as our example and his pathway ended in the glory, but it was a pathway of of trial and and sorrel and we're in the same pathway and we have the Lord as the example before us who began the pathway of faith and finished it.
To the glory of God his Father. Is that right, brethren?
Referring to that statement in verse 10, it says the captains of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Those are his manhood sufferings as he walked through this world and he knows what it is to suffer in this scene. But here it's it says it became him or it was consistent with God's character, for whom all things and by whom all things are all things.
In bringing many sons unto glory, so many sons, those that are a part of a new creation race, and you are a part of a new creation race right now, you're going to be glorified. Your body is going to be glorified. And so that's what he says, bringing many sons unto the glorified condition, unto glory. Make the captain of their salvation or the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.
I'd like to just make a comment in verse 9. Two is as we as it says, but we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the Angel for the suffering of death, crown with glory and honor that he by the grace of God, should taste death for every man.
You know, we use our eyes to help us to understand what reality is and those are our natural eyes. And if, if we're blind, we don't really know.
What?
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Reality is, and these are the eyes of faith, we see Jesus, these are the eyes of faith. God has given us the ability and it's a gift. It's because He wanted us to enter into the glories of the Lord Jesus and he gave us the eyes of faith to take the word of God and this truth that has been unfolded us to us regarding the person.
And the work of the Lord Jesus and faith gives us the ability.
To know what reality is in relationship with God.
And his desire for the glory of the Lord Jesus and for us to be able to see him in this position of exaltation, but first realize the benefit of his humiliation. And it's all because we have the ability. God has given us faith to enter into these things. And he's faith is always based on the instruction of the Word of God.
And so it's a wonderful thing, isn't it, for us to be able to see.
The these beautiful realities of eternal.
These are eternal realities.
Probably shouldn't correct that answer a little bit. I do think the focus in this chapter is his glories is Son of Man which is more as acquired glories as you were saying. We do look up and see him.
They're reinstated in the glories we have in John 17 by 8.
Shouldn't correct that this chapter has more his emphasis, his glory as a son of man, which would more be his acquired glories?
Choir glories.
If there was.
A son of a king, he would have certain glories, wouldn't he, as being the Prince if he were to go out to battle?
On behalf of defense of the Kingdom and he were to win battles he would come back with glories that he acquired in battle. I think that was the best explanation that helped me as to what's acquired glory. He would still have his glories as being the Prince and coming future king but now he's won victories in battle and he has glories that he acquired that weren't just his intrinsically because.
He was born with it.
Good. Maybe looking at this thing subject from a little different angle, the relationship between the father and the son, we see it was always there.
In What is that Psalm? No Proverbs 8, where I was with him as one, I was by him as one brought up with him.
I was daily His delight. But in John 10 there's a verse, Verse 17. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again? Could the Father love the Son anymore?
I don't believe so, but he had another purpose in loving him.
And.
Just to mention another portion on the subject, well, two portions connected. Ephesians chapter one talks about the working of God's mighty power that he brought in Christ to raise him from the dead, the sediment, his own right hand. And Romans 6 there's a verse and it's not the subject of the chapter at all, but.
One morning I was reading this and it just stuck out. How clearly this says Romans 6 and verse four. Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, whose glories that the Father has intrinsic glories as well.
As the Almighty and he used those glories to raise the sun fully satisfied and.
As we read in Ephesians one, he gave him the highest place, and that's the position that we see in Hebrews. He has been given the highest place. He's not just been brought to heaven, but he's been given the highest place there.
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It worked perfectly. 10th verse here.
To make the captain of their salvation perfect.
Through sufferings. Now that doesn't refer to any personal perfection in the Lord. He was perfect from the time He entered the world in His earthly pathway. But I believe it refers here to to resurrection. The Lord went through this wilderness. He endured every trial that a righteous man could be subject to.
Apart from sin.
But he he understood the.
The afflictions, the the reproach and the rejection that he endured so he can sympathize with us in in what we have, we are called to pass through because although he's crowned with glory and honor, he certainly doesn't have his rightful place in the world today. And we are associated with, not with a glorified Christ now in the world. We're we're we're.
We are in Christ as to our position, but we are sharing His rejection in the world.
We.
Are following in the path that the Lord marks out for us, but it's a path of rejection. The Lord doesn't have his rightful place in the world now. And we we share that that reproach. Is that right?
We follow the same pattern that we get in Peter, the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow, and it's the same for us.
Might be helpful to notice too that there are different reasons why the Lord Jesus was.
Made low in his humiliation and they are brought out in this chapter and the first one is we're in verse nine that he by the grace of God.
Should taste death for everything. So death needed to come in. He needed to humble himself and become obedient unto death, even the death of the cross, that there might be everything. Might the world and all the persons in it might be brought into blessing, might be made savable, and that he would acquire those as a possession. And then the next one is in verse 14, that through death.
He might destroy or annul him that had the power of death, that is the devil. So when he went into death.
They he suffered the sentence of death because of sin and he rose again from among the dead. And so God has accepted that sacrifice for sin that was offered and the power of death has been annulled. It doesn't have it's not the king of terror says it says in for the believer in Job and then it says in verse 17 that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest and things pertaining to God to make reconciliation should say propitiation.
For the sins of the people. So he went into death. He was brought into humiliation, and his humiliation he was.
Brought into death, and it was that there might be propitiation made, and propitiation speaks of the God being satisfied as to the question of sin and God being honored and God being.
Justified as to the question of sin.
Because sin had dishonored him, sin had been an insult to God, and so the Lord Jesus went into humiliation, into death, that God would be.
Propitiated and then in the verse 18 it says in him that for him that he himself has suffered being tempted or tested, He is able to succor them that are tempted or tested.
And so in his humiliation he suffered, and he suffered in this scene. And so he knows how to comfort the Saints of God.
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So there are many reasons why the Lord Jesus was humbled and became obedient unto death, and so the Spirit of God records these things for our instruction and that we might just recognize the vastness of the work of God in this connection.
The word perfect here is an old English word that has the idea of complete if you were talking to a.
A researcher in a laboratory and he was developing a method to do something. You might say to him, have you perfected your formula? You're saying, have you completed it?
Well, there's something here about completeness. Maybe somebody could remark on that.
We're not, we're not these sufferings in connection with the.
The place that he now occupies as our great High Priest, or as we have here, the captain of our salvation. Salvation looked, is looked upon in different ways. We have the salvation of our souls.
We're experiencing salvation in our pathway down here day by day as we look to the Lord. But.
The perfection of salvation.
Will be when we have the glorified bodies. But I always connected this with the sufferings the Lord went through in order to qualify him to be our great High Priest. And He took that position in manhood when He entered, when He entered the glory.
He became the intercessor, or the high priest and advocate.
That's the way I looked upon that verse.
Maybe someone has something to add there. I think that we can just make.
Illustration in that let's say the Lord is called you as maybe a young person to go through a very, very difficult circumstance. You don't feel that you have the strength or the wisdom. You don't feel that you're capable of going through it but to be able to go to the Lord Jesus and realize he is going to help you through it because.
He has been through circumstances that have been a whole lot more difficult than you are being called to go through. You're actually going to someone who is experienced and who has walked the path of faith perfectly through those those difficulties. The Lord Jesus, he is the author and finisher of our faith. He has.
Act.
To the glory of God, independent on God. So he is perfectly capable of directing us, you know, through a circumstance that we consider to be over our head more than we can handle. It's wonderful. This is what faith does. Faith takes these these truths and it makes them practical. So the Lord Jesus is seated at God's right hand right now as.
Our high priest.
And he is there ready is is could we just?
Turn to Romans five. I think that there might be a verse and I'm willing to be corrected if this verse is not being applied properly. But Romans 5 and verse 10 says, For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the dust of his Son, much more being reconciled.
We shall be saved by his life.
And I believe that this is an indication here of his high priestly service. The Lord Jesus didn't just go to glory and and he didn't he, he set himself apart for this purpose to help us the rest of the way home. And so the perfection that is this verse speaks of is the process in which he suffered.
So that he would know what we suffer and he would know how to sucker them that are suffering. And so it's a beautiful thing to know that we have a high priest that is absolutely capable of taking us through the pathway of faith in obedience to God with all the help we need.
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Nice point, Brother Phil. And connecting it with obedience, that obedience for the believer is going to entail suffering. It's going to. But we follow a captain.
Who has been through it all? I can't remember which of the world wars they had the shortage of officers and as they crank them through officer school, they called him, I don't know, as a 14 day wonder. You know they would push these young men out into the field having just the briefest training as an officer, having no military experience and put them in the lead of experienced.
Men.
And to lead them into battle and their men had no confidence in them. And I can't remember how many days the training was. 14 days, 14 day wonders, they called them. That's not our Lord.
He is a qualified leader in that way. He is the captain of our salvation, and he's learned the cost of obedience and fully proved it to God's glory. You could say that those young men were complete when they'd experienced battle and had learned to lead. Then they'd get the respect from the followers. They became complete through going through those things.
That's our savior. He completely, our captain was complete because he went through those things.
And we have a perfected Savior who in everything I was once said a Bible study where we were talking about how he's touched with the feeling of our infirmities. And this young lady said, well, he's never gone through pregnancy.
I said, well, has he suffered the pain? She had had children. I said, do you think he suffered pain that had to do with anything like what you went through in your pregnancy? Oh, yeah.
Well, it's not that every single event that human beings go through that the Lord went through. Certainly he didn't go through pregnancy.
But every suffering that men go through, the pain, all of those kind of things, He suffered loneliness. Look at all the times around him when he is grieved by how the disciples don't get it. He feels that loneliness. He always had the father in the relationship with that, but as a man.
He felt loneliness, he was hungry, he was tired. He experienced all of those kinds of things, the pain of betrayal, all of that kind of thing. And even we know because Scripture tells us that all along He knew that the man in his midst was stealing from the purse and was betraying him all that time, not just when he betrayed him in the garden. All of those things the Lord Jesus felt, and those have nothing to do with our redemption.
But he felt them. So when we go through something and we read that, that he's touched with the feelings of our infirmities, Yeah, He has experienced all those pains and sufferings. And we know that he has. He's complete in every way. And then he understands. So there's nothing we need to have any question mark over our heads about.
The verse in Hebrews 5 would bear that out to though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered. Verse 8.
What we want to be careful here.
The Lord did not have infirmities. That's a common mistake made by.
Some theologians.
The Lord is touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but.
We have infirmities because we're connected with a groaning creation. It's really a result of sin. Now, an affirmative is not sin in itself. However, it can lead to sin.
If I begin to complain about the infirmity and I become.
Disgruntled and and rebellious, that becomes sin. Now the Lord can enter into the infirmity. Though he did not have infirmities, His body was perfect. He never had sickness because those things are result of sin.
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But he learned obedience by the things which he suffered. He didn't learn obedience and apost eternity. It was his. It was his place to command and to to create by the word of his mouth. But when he became a man, he, he took the the the liabilities of of a creature, though he was not a creature, but he never used his.
Godhead power to.
Avoid.
Any of the the the the trials of the of the body.
Tiredness and hunger and so on. He never used his divine power to shield himself from those human sufferings that that we have.
To say the comment in closing that was helpful to me in connection with the Lord's sufferings usually, and I haven't searched it out in every case, but usually when it's plural, his sufferings, it refers to his sufferings as we've been speaking in manhood. And Paul had a desire to know him and the power of his resurrection and to fellowship in his sufferings. And Peter could speak to to the Saints and say thinking not strange concerning the fiery trial, which is to try you as though some strange thing happened unto you, but rejoice.
And as much as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings, that when his glory shall be revealed, you may be glad with exceeding joy. So it's a privilege, isn't it? Although we may not look at it that way, to be able to have fellowship with him and his sufferings as a man. But when it comes to his atoning suffering, it's it's in the singular. And I think we have an example in our portion in verse nine. It speaks of the suffering of death. The Lord Jesus was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death.
We can't have fellowship in that, we can only stand in awe of what he has done. But when it comes to his manhood and his sufferings as a man, we can perhaps in some small way partake of that and we should count it a a privilege.
John, would you say an example would be if you suffer betrayal and you feel that, you could say, my Lord, he felt that?
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